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====== ASTERICS DADI Technology Forum 2 ======

The Forums enable technology discussion involving the framework developers and ESFRI project staff, to develop technical collaboration and exchange good practice - establishing a European strategy for IVOA and RDA activities

(Top level DADI page: [[open:wp4:start|WP4: Data Access and Data Interoperability]])
==== Dates ====
Meeting: 7 & 8 March, 2016


==== Location ====
The meeting will be held on the Pollock Halls campus in the Pollock Room in [[http://www.edinburghfirst.co.uk/venues/st-leonards-hall/|St Leonard's Hall]]


==== Hotels ====
Please book your own accommodation.

To book campus accommodation, visit [[http://www.book.accom.ed.ac.uk|the booking page]], and quote promotion code: CONF16. This will provide 15% off accommodation at Masson House and Salisbury Green Hotel at Pollock Halls.

There are many other Hotels and Guest Houses in the vicinity of Pollock Halls. More information can be found [[http://www.roe.ac.uk/roe/accommodation.html|here]] and [[https://www.visitscotland.com/destinations-maps/edinburgh/accommodation/|here]]

==== Dinner ====
A conference dinner will be held Monday evening. This needs to be confirmed as soon as possible so please indicate whether you wish to attend.

==== Agenda ====

| //** Time **// | //**Title**//  | //**Speaker**//            | //**Materials**// |
|  **Day 1**  | **Monday, March 7th** |||
| 10:00 | Coffee|||
| 10:15 | Welcome and round table intros| Keith / Mark A | |
| 10:40 | DADI status | Françoise| {{:open:wp4:wp4status_techforum2.pdf|DADI Status}} |
| 11:00 | EM follow-up of gravitational wave candidates | Giuseppe | |
| 11:20 | HiPS - Hierarchical Progressive Survey| Pierre | {{:open:wp4:hips-fernique-edinburgh-2016.pdf|HiPS}} |
| 11:40 | A&A systems developed for CTA | Mathieu| {{:open:wp4:servillat_a_a_cta_edinburgh.pdf|A&A for CTA}} |
| 12:00 | Applying A&A to server/client VO scenario | Marco| {{:open:wp4:mmolinaro_aa.pdf|A&A Server-client}} |
| 12:20 | Applicable conditions for A&A (web, non web resources, etc.)| Marco| {{:open:wp4:a_a-dadi-workshop.pdf|A&A applicable conditions}} |
| 12:40 | VODML from a VODSL perspective| Paul | {{:open:wp4:vodsl_vodml_pah.pdf|VODSL}} |
| 13:00 | Lunch |||
| 14:00 | Links between Provenance Data Model prototypeand the IVOA Dataset Metadata data Model | Mireille | {{:open:wp4:EdinburgcurrentstatusProvenance.pdf|Provenance}}|
| 14:15 | DAL protocols for ESFRI projects / current status | Francois / Chaitra | |
| | - IVOA DAL context status || |
| | - current development at CDS : DataLink integration within Aladin || |
| 14:50 | Aladin Lite and usage of the MOCServer| Thomas | {{:open:wp4:al-mocserver-portal.pdf|MOCServer}} |
| 15:10 | SAMP over HTTPS | Mark T | {{:open:wp4:tlsamp.pdf|tlsamp}} |
| 15:30 | Afternoon tea || |
| 15:50 | Intro to Hack-a-thon| Keith| |
| 16:00 | Hack-a-thon || |
| 17:30 | Close |||
| 19h  | **//Tech Forum Dinner//** To be held in the Nelson Room, St Leonard's Hall | | |
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| **Day 2** | **Tuesday, March 8th** |||
| 09:30 | Description and discovery of VizieR resources in VO registries) | Sébastien | {{:open:wp4:dadi_edinburgh16_derriere.pdf|VizieR resource discovery}} |
| 09:50 | Registry| Markus | |
| 10:50 | Coffee|||
| 11:10 | SODA -- what's all the fuss about on the DAL list?| Markus | |
| 11:30 | Madrid School | Françoise| {{open:wp4:dadi_madrid_school2015.pdf|School2015}} |
| 11:50 | Engaging with major astronomy projects at the next IVOA meeting | Mark A | |
| 12:10 | Discussion : Engagement & IVOA Interop prep || |
| 13:00 | Lunch |||
| 14:00 | Hack-a-thon |||
| 15:30 | Afternoon tea |||
| 15:50 | Hack-a-thon |||
| 17:00 | Conclusions | Keith / Mark A | |
| 17:30 | Close |||

== Breakout sessions ==
**Monday**
| **1. Provenance data model //(Notes author : Mireille)//** |
|  //minutes by Mireille Louys draft to be checked with group.//  |
|  //Francois Bonnarel, Markus Nullmeier, Mireille Louys, Matthieu Servillat, Julien LeFaucheur, Chaitra ( CDS contract)//  |
| //**(i). Which existing generic tools could we re-use?**// \\ Prov-N used in the RAVE use-case \\ Prov Store (Southampton) offers a software suite to handle the entity/activity/agent pattern. It is based on the Prov package in Python that can be used directly. Will be explored further by Luth ( Mathieu, Julien )  |
| **//(ii). Format for serialising the metadata//** \\ JSON\\ prov-XML\\ TAP-Schema\\ Fits- keywords??? extra header\\ Need for a bundle to wrap all together: data (fits) +Instrument files+ IVOA metadata |
| //**(iii). Modeling**// \\ - which part to re-use from Obscore \\ - how to bind IRF , instrument config, etc.\\ - need for a version tag in the Method metadata |
| **//(iv). Usecases to clarify//** \\ need for practical use-cases for all projects:\\ *CTA Julien & Mathieu& Catherine ? \\ a possible use-case: spectrum reconstruction as UWS service in LUTH. |
| //**(v). RAVE / IAP**// \\ check with Kristin |
| Pollux  Michèle |
| SVOM  starting the effort(Laurent michel , XMM-High energy physics team, Strasbourg Observatory) |
| //**(vi). Questions to discuss**// \\ Mireille: how could we disentangle the different layers: \\ - science use-case: what the scientist needs to see , and provide as input data and parameters\\ - chain of algorithms : description of methods and params.\\ - workflow execution : job stalled, job terminated, files in , files out , config , etc. |
| **//(vii). Proposed meetings//** \\ Wish to have an IVOA tech meeting together :\\ Paris? Strasbourg? Heidelberg?\\ difficult to plan before IVOA :may be in June-July? |
| **//(viii). IVOA DM session//** \\ ask for a provenance DM session at next interop in Cape town:\\ think about targeting some didactic presentation for the audience : \\ many newcomers to the VO are expected. |


| **2. HiPS / Registry discussion //(Notes author : Pierre)//** |

| **3. GWsky discussion //(Notes author : Giuseppe)//** |

| **4. ADQL //(Notes author : Dave)//** |

| **5. Rendering plots server-side //(Notes author : Mark)//** |
| - Discuss options for server-side rendering of plots using topcat/plot2 infrastructure and a web browser with small(?) amounts of javascript Looks like it should be possible to make a start on it without too much difficulty.  Mark to have a first go, Stelios may find time for some work on it in future if javascript expertise is required Future progress depends on our other commitments.\\ - Discuss some technical issues related to auto-completion of ADQL queries. |


**Tuesday**

| **6. A&A //(Notes author : Marco)//** |

| **7. pgSphere //(Notes author : Markus N.)//** |

| **8. SODA//(Notes author : François)//** |

==== Organisation ====
**Program Organising Committee:**Keith Noddle, Mark Allen (co-chairs) 

**Local Organising Committee:** Keith Noddle, Nathalie Dupin, Andrew Lawrence

**Contact:** ktn (at) roe.ac.uk

==== Participants ====

|  //**Name**//  |  //**Affiliation**//  | //**Menu**//  |
| Andrew Lawrence  | IfA, Edinburgh  |  |
| Bob Mann (excused) | IfA, Edinburgh  | n/a  |
| Carlos Rodrigo  | INTA  |  |
| Chaitra Suvarna  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Clive Davenhall  | IfA, Edinburgh  | n/a  |
| Dave Morris  | IfA, Edinburgh  | 
| François Bonnarel  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Francoise Genova  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Giuliano Taffoni  | INAF - OATs  | 
| Giuseppe Greco  | Università degli Studi di Urbino and INFN-Firenze  | n/a  |
| Julien Lefaucheur  | LUTH / Observatoire de Paris-Meudon  | 
| Keith Noddle  | IfA, Edinburgh  | V |
| Marco Molinaro  | INAF - OATs  | 
| Mark Allen  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Mark Holliman  | IfA, Edinburgh  | n/a  |
| Mark Taylor  | University of Bristol  | V |
| Markus Demleitner  | ARI, UHEI, Heidelberg  | V |
| Markus Nullmeier  | ARI, UHEI, Heidelberg  | V |
| Mathieu Servillat  | LUTH / Observatoire de Paris-Meudon  | 
| Mike Sipior (excused)  | ASTRON/LOFAR  | 
| Mireille Louys  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Paul Harrison  | University of Manchester  | 
| Pierre Fernique  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Rob van der Meer  | ASTRON/LOFAR  | 
| Sebastien Derriere  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
| Stefano Zampieri  |  | 
| Stelios Voutsinas  | IfA, Edinburgh  |  |
| Thomas Boch  | CDS, Observatoire de Strasbourg  | 
|  |  |  |

//28|24 participants//


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==== Menu ====
  * Hot Scottish smoked salmon, lemon, capers & black pepper
  * Supreme of chicken stuffed with haggis in thyme scented whisky cream sauce
  * Drambuie & stem ginger cranachan in a brandy snap basket
  * Filter coffee & petits fours

=== Vegetarian Starter ===
  * Sweet & sour vegetable spring roll with a fresh mango salsa

=== Vegetarian Main ===
  * Sweet potato, squash & coriander tart with crispy sweet pickled vegetable salad

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